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Dinosaurs (biblical paleontology)

Postby Dan » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:54 am

Abstract: according to Evolutionist ideology and paradigm, the writers of the Bible could not possibly have seen living dinosaurs while they were alive. The theory is that dinosaurs died out surely hundreds of millions of years ago, because government scientists say so, therefore, not only are the Bible instances of dinosaurs false, then the whole Bible must also be false (all 780,000 words!). These are not my words or thoughts; I am merely exposing the insipid lie of evolution. They literally ‘discover’ 1 thing that is true, and then assert that it proves 99 falsehoods.

There are government scientists. We also have Christian scientists, and doctors. Hugh Ross is a PhD in Astronomy to name only one example. Two people who I know personally from church are scientists with Chemistry PhD.


Tanniyn (dragons)

The Old Testament mentions of dragons (Psalm 148:7, Isaiah 43:20, Micah 1:8) are derived from an obscure Hebrew word that is “tanniyn.” Tanniyn is a very large or hideous creature and is mentioned in both land and sea contexts, and is most likely a general term for large reptiles of land or sea. Tanniyn is ‘dragon’ is synonymous with ‘dinosaurs’ of land or sea.

An issue arose when KJV translated mysterious Hebrew words of uncertain meaning into sometimes exotic English words as a sub.


Satyrs

Satyrs (Isaiah 13:21 and 34:14 KJV and RSV) from Hebrew sa`iyr or better translated as “wild goats.” Speaking casually, satyrs could refer to humans of beast-like nature as ‘devils’ or demon-worshippers. Goat is also associated with Baal, an ancient false god who was worshipped by some ancient Hebrews. This Baalism or Baal worship, aka rebellion from the God of Israel, contributed to the corruption and fall of Israel to Assyrian conquest, and the job was later finished in full by Babylonian conquest. An example putting it altogether could be, Man those Baal worshippers are so self-torturous and evil, I really dislike those satyrs (demon-worshippers aka wild goats).

The KJV is great for its overall accuracy, beautiful style, and as an instrument that helped launch revolutions of literacy and culture throughout the English-speaking world, starting from KJV 1611. Christians know that the Holy Word is inspired by God and without error. Therefore, a few mistranslated words of the whole ~780,000 words in the Bible, this is the slight failure of a few human writers and scribes. This does not subtract from the inerrancy of God’s word. This KJV use of mythological beast language is where some of this “Bible mythology” critique comes from. When we examine it deeper, we gain a richer knowledge of language and the deeper, often multi-layer meaning of words.

Language changes over long periods of time; (Hebrews 13:8 ESV) Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. (John 1:1 ESV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Perhaps God is trying to teach us something about His ways and our ways. The original language is Hebrew then Greek.


Cockatrice is a mythological beast, half-rooster and half-snake, and ability to turn people into stone. Cockatrice was used to translate Hebrew tsepha` in 4 of 5 occurrences (Isaiah 11:8, 14:29, 59:5, and Jeremiah 8:17). Cockatrice was a common myth in Britain when KJV retained the 1382 Wycliffe use of the word.


Wild Ox (not a unicorn) is most vividly established in Job 39:9-12 and Numbers 24:8. The context of Job, and its ferocious nature, seems to support the ceratops theory, though wild ox may also be the powerful auroch.

The Bible in its original language never mentions unicorns. The Hebrew word re'em is a horned animal similar to aurochs. Auroch is extinct, a large wild cattle, and plausible identity of “wild ox.” Wild ox could possibly be another dinosaur, the ceratops.

It’s unknown why KJV chose "unicorn" for the name of this horned animal (Deuteronomy 33:17, Psalm 22:21, Isaiah 34:7). A better choice of synonym for ‘unicorn’ (wild ox) may also be ibex.


Behemoth (Job 40:15-24) is a Hebrew word. Behemoth is presented as a land animal that is far more powerful physically than Job. Behemoth is one of several examples of created beings that Job cannot possibly fathom, because God is teaching him a lesson about God’s role as creator and sovereign over all things.

Totally not a hippo or elephant; some critics try to assert that behemoth is actually a much smaller animal, completely ignoring the context of tail like a cedar and legs like bars of iron. Strong candidates for the true identity of behemoth are the sauropods; brachiosaurus and possibly apatosaurus.


Leviathan (Job 3:8, 41:1-34) describes a monstrous, massive serpentine sea creature. It has fire-breathing ability and crushing jaws. Other references are Isaiah 27:1, Psalm 74:14 and Psalm 104:24-30.

The Job references are a literal description of real monsters (verified from context and description). Once established, leviathan can also be figurative language for evil, and the enemies of Israel, as in Psalm 74. Thomas Hobbes’ influential political book “The Leviathan” expands the metaphor to describe the necessity and nature of a strong ruler. In today’s language, when we speak of the leviathan, we are often referring to an oppressive central government.


Fiery flying serpent (pterosaur)

The fiery flying serpent is mentioned in Numbers 21:6 and Isaiah 14:29 and 30:6. The Hebrew word is saraph for ‘serpent.’ The Jewish historian Josephus wrote 2,000 years ago that Moses and the Israelites sometimes had a difficult time passing through regions because of the presence of flying serpents. This scene is implied in KJV “Numbers 21:6 And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.” To this writer, the fiery flying serpent is more consistent and plausible with the evidence, and superior to the more recent English translations substituting serpent with ‘venomous snakes.’ The serpent’s identity is probably pterosaur.


Nephilim (Genesis 6:1-4 and Jude 6; Numbers 13:33) are also considered mythological beings. The Bible uses the term ‘gods’ many times to describe false gods, idols, demigods, half-gods, all Nephilim.

Genesis 6:4 ESV states “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.”

Nephilim are fallen ones aka giants. They were the result of sex between fallen angels (demons) and certain females. Got Questions Ministries examines the Nephilim in more detail at http://www.gotquestions.org/Nephilim.html stating that “Their great size and power likely came from the mixture of demonic “DNA” with human genetics.”

Most of the Nephilim were wiped out during the Flood judgment; the OT stories of Israel conquering the Holy Land also battles with giants (probable descendants of neph).

More:

http://www.gotquestions.org/dinosaurs-Bible.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/fossil-record.html
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Re: Dinosaurs (biblical paleontology)

Postby Dan » Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:13 am

Leviathan is a sea dragon (dinosaur, from Hebrew tanniyn or tannin). Creation buff has posted on leviathan (mososaur; kronosaur) here https://creationbuff.wordpress.com/2007 ... leviathan/

Here is a nonreligious, center-left perspective on mososaur fossils, Stephanie Pappas with Live Science with Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/0 ... 08492.html

Job 38:1-14 gives a detailed, long description of leviathan. The characterization of leviathan as mososaur or kronosaur is undeniable, and vivid. Dinosaur bones were discovered within the past 2 centuries, and the word dinosaur coined around 1841.

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/boo ... verse=1-34

Job 41:1-34

1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?
2 Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn?
3 Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee?
4 Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever?
5 Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens?
6 Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants?
7 Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears?
8 Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.
9 Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him?
10 None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?
11 Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.
12 I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion.
13 Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle?
14 Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about.
15 His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal.
16 One is so near to another, that no air can come between them.
17 They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.
18 By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.

19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.
20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.
21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.

22 In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him.
23 The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved.

24 His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone.
25 When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves.
26 The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon.
27 He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood.
28 The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble.
29 Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear.
30 Sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire.
31 He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment.
32 He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary.
33 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.
34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.


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1 Huff Post - mososaur
2 Creation buff - leviathan
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